Rymsza John

21.04.2014 15:28

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Poszukiwania John Rymsza
Proszę wybaczyć , że nie ma nic dość czytania w prawo Używam google translate .

Witam, szukam pomocy w znalezieniu informacji na temat mojej rodziny , który pozostał w Polsce . Nazwisko jest Rymsza . Informacje znalazłem było z badaniami innych narodów na Ancestry.com . Siedmiorga dzieci Jana Rymsza i Ludwiga Brotkowska opuścił Polskę i udał się do Ameryki . Są to:

Urodził się Hieronim 1849 w województwie łódzkim , w Polsce
Urodził się Frank 1852
Urodził Kajeton 1860 w województwie łódzkim , w Polsce
Urodził się Michael 1864
Urodził Helen 1865
Urodził Julia 1866
Urodził się Jan 1869

I wydaje się , że Frank udał się wraz z rodziną w 1895 roku pod nazwą Franz Rimsche . Byłem przypisując że do ortograficzny niemieckiej załogi , ale nie do końca pewien . Stwierdza ona, że jego pobyt był w Suwalken . Wyjechał z żoną Constanze i ich dzieci Stanisława , Aleksandra , Wiktoria , Stanisław i Wladislav .

Szukam informacji przede wszystkim dla ojca i matki i każdy z rodziny ojca Johna . Wszystko co mam dla niego i jego żony , z 1825 roku.

Jeśli chcieliby Państwo wszelkie inne informacje na temat dzieci, mogę dać ci to, co mam .

Dzięki za wszelką pomoc z góry
Bob Rymsza

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23.04.2014 23:00

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Znalazłem kolejne odwołanie, że Jan urodził się w Lodzskie również. Nie jestem pewien, jak dokładne jest to. Ponadto, nie jestem stwierdzenia, że wiele odniesień do "John" w języku polskim, więc myślę, że jest szansa, że jego nazwisko może być w rzeczywistości "Jan".

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23.04.2014 23:29

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Hello Bob,
Could you write all information from you two previouse post again but in English? Google translate is making the transition but it's poor and it's difficult to understand the connection between people you are discribing.
Sorry for my english.
Best regards, Magda

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24.04.2014 00:50

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I completely understand what you are saying. When I use Google translate to read Polish I often come away more confused than I started.

I have researched my lineage all the way back to the family that emigrated to America. That is where my information stops. The parents, according to the information I have found, are John Rymsza, which could be "Jan", and Ludwiga Brotkowska. Both were born around 1825. John was said to have been born in Lodzkie, Poland which I'm assuming is Lodz. They had 7 children which are:

Jerome born 1849 in Lodzkie, Poland
Frank born 1852 in Poland
Kajeton born 1860 in Lodzkie, Poland
Michael born 1864 in Poland
Helen born 1865 in Poland
Julia born 1866 in Szawley, Poland
John born 1869 in Poland

I cannot confirm that these are the actual children's names as they may have been Americanized when they arrived. I'm not even sure they all emigrated to America.

However, my lineage comes through Frank who emigrated in 1895 with his family from Suwalken. At least I think this is them. What i'm interested in is John, his siblings and their children, and John's lineage.

Thanks again in advance
Bob

rianon

24.04.2014 20:54

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Hello Bob,

I made a quick research on polish websites and for this moment I didn't find anything interesting I found that mostly this last name appear in XIX century in Podlaskie province and in Lithaunia (this province is located near Lithaunia). Looking at this we can assume that part of your family came from Suwalszczyzna (a part of Podlaskie province, near city Suwalki).

Tha names of children in Polish would be:
- Jerome - probably Jeremi
- Frank - Franciszek
- Kajeton - Kajetan
- Michael - Michał
- Helen - Helena
- Julia - just Julia
- John - Jan

The parents names would be Jan and Ludwika. Brotkowski (male form)/ Brotkowska (female form) is really not popular last name in Poland, I found only one person with this last name. The interesting information for you may be that the last name Brotkowski can have its own coat of arms - Ślepowron. In such case it's possible that your ancestors both were from a noble families.

You wrote about Łódźkie. This means more province Łódźkie than the city of Łódź.

Do you have any documents related with your ancestors? Ship manifest? Do you know if all of them Jan, Ludwika and all their children came to USA? I was able to find only information about Jerome.

The problem is that i'm not able to find books with certificates from Suwałki from interesting you years. And I don't know where to start searching in Łódzkie province...

Best regards,
Magda

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24.04.2014 22:15

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Magda,

To the best of my knowledge Jan and Ludwika did not emigrate to America. I can confirm that Frank, Jerome, Kajeton, Helen, and Julia all died in America. I have no death info on Michael or John. I did have a difficult time finding emigration information, just as you did, on those that did cross. I believe that they did not travel under their given surname of Rymsza or those that wrote it down badly misspelled it. I found a ships manifest that I believe is for Frank and his family. It list the name as Franz Rimsche with wife Constanze, and children Stanislawa, Alexander, Victoria, Stanislav, and Wladislav. The residence was listed as Suwalken, Russland. A piece of information I have for Julia says she was born in Szawley, Poland but I wasn't sure how accurate it is. I found yet another ships manifest that looks like Frank and Jerome traveled here at an earlier date under another misspelled version of the name. Magda, I'm not sure if traveling under a different name was intentional or just a German crewmember misspelling the name. However, given the turmoil of the area for that time period I wouldn't be surprised if they were hiding their identity for some reason.

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24.04.2014 23:16

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Hi Bob,

I would put on misspelling as I can see that other polish first and last names also has been misspelled, however you never know. It was more than 30 years after January Upraising. Łódź was in 1895 was in Russian annexation if I remember correctly and as the family was from Suwałki area then I don't know why thay would need to change last name to travel to USA.

The information about Frank gives me some clue how to search information about your family. I will let you know if I will find something.

Best regards,
Magda

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25.04.2014 02:13

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Magda,

I did some more digging after you told me that Lodzkie was too big of a hint. I thought that Lodzkie was just another way of saying the city of Lodz. I found a reference in a family history that says that Jerome's wife, Agatha, emigrated at the age of 33 with Jerome's little brother John age 12 in 1884. It also says that Lodz is the city from which the first family members emigrated. So I'm assuming that at least the children moved to Lodz at some point. However, it is also known that brother Michael remained in Suwalki, a province in the heart of the lake district and located northeast of Lodz. It was here that a family remained in the small town of Sejny until the 1970's.

Also, I think there may be a chance that Michael may be the father of Roman Piotr Rymsza. Roman was born to Michael and Josephine Rymsza February 22, 1892 in Sejny. He was killed at the Katyn Forest Massacre in 1940.
It says nothing about Jan and Ludwiga but hopefully I've narrowed down the search area.

Thanks again for your help Magda.
Bob

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28.04.2014 05:28

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Magda:

Just wanted to confirm that you received my last post. Didn't want you to waste your efforts when more specific information was available.

Thanks again
Bob

rianon

28.04.2014 09:04

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Magda,

I did some more digging after you told me that Lodzkie was too big of a hint. I thought that Lodzkie was just another way of saying the city of Lodz. I found a reference in a family history that says that Jerome's wife, Agatha, emigrated at the age of 33 with Jerome's little brother John age 12 in 1884. It also says that Lodz is the city from which the first family members emigrated. So I'm assuming that at least the children moved to Lodz at some point. However, it is also known that brother Michael remained in Suwalki, a province in the heart of the lake district and located northeast of Lodz. It was here that a family remained in the small town of Sejny until the 1970's.

Also, I think there may be a chance that Michael may be the father of Roman Piotr Rymsza. Roman was born to Michael and Josephine Rymsza February 22, 1892 in Sejny. He was killed at the Katyn Forest Massacre in 1940.
It says nothing about Jan and Ludwiga but hopefully I've narrowed down the search area.

Thanks again for your help Magda.
Bob

Hi Bob,
I received this post. I'm trying to dig something up... Will let you know when find anything...
BR, Magda

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29.04.2014 14:47

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Information about people with last name Rymsza that I was able to find in Suwałki province:

1) Deaths:
- Anna Rymsza in 1847 in Suwałki, age 38 (certificate number - 183)
- Jan Rymsza in 1848 in Suwalki, age 30 (cert. numb. - 324)
- Jan Rymsza in 1848 in Suwałki, age 2 (cert. numb. - 334)
- Katarzyna Rymsza in 1845 in Suwałki, age 25, father Tomasz Rymsza, mother Anna Judkiewicz (cert. numb. - 33)
- Tadeusz Rymsza in 1847 in Suwałki, age 76 (cert. numb. - 156)

2) Marriages:
- Jan Cierucki and Stefania Rymsza in 1885 in Suwałki (cert. numb. - 46)
- Antoni Rymsza and Adela ? in 1928 in Wasilków (cert. numb. - 3)
- Franciszek Rymsza and Urszula Ostrowska in 1830 in Suwałki (cert. numb. - 34)
- Józef Rymsza and Maria Czygir in 1849 in Augustów, Józefs parents Michał Rymsza and Elżbieta Zubowicz, Maria's parents Józef Czygir andBarbara Mączyńska (cert. numb. - 50)
- Kazimierz Rymsza and Katarzyna Rybieńska in 1791 in Suwałki (cert. numb. - 42)
- Kazimierz Rymsza (age 32) and Krystyna Józefa Słowikowska (age 22) in 1847 in Suwałki (cert. numb. - 39)
- Mateusz Rymsza and Anna Kapelko in 1885 in Suwałki (cert. numb. - 64)

3) Births:
- Anna Maryanna Chartowska in Suwałki 5.07.1815, father Szymon Chartowski, mother Anna Rymsza (cert numb 132)
- Adam Rymsza in Suwałki 20.08.1806, father Jan Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Mordaś (cert numb 170)
- Adam Rymsza in Suwałki 1779, (cert numb 119)
- Aleksander Rymsza in Suwałki 1845, (cert numb 22)
- Andrzej Rymsza in Suwałki 28.11.1802, father Jan Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Mordaś (cert numb 1452)
- Anna Rymsza in Suwałki 1788, (cert numb 1831)
- Antoni Rymsza in Suwałki 1846, (cert numb 301)
- Brygitta Rymsza in Suwałki 19.12.1812, father Jan Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Mordaś (cert numb 283)
- Eleonora Rymsza in Suwałki 1829, (cert numb 53)
- Elżbieta Rymsza in Suwałki 1771, (cert numb 1106)
- Franciszka Rymsza in Suwałki 1830, (cert numb 408)
- Franciszek Rymsza in Suwałki 2.12.1800, father Kazimierz Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Rybinszczanka (cert numb 779)
- Franciszek Rymsza in Suwałki 1767, (cert numb 161)
- Franciszka Rozalia Rymsza in Suwałki 21.08.1803, father Tadeusz Rymsza, mother Rozalia Ulewicz (cert numb 1671)
- Jakub Rymsza in Suwałki 1830, (cert numb 218)
- Jan Rymsza in Suwałki 1777, (cert numb 1046)
- Jan Rymsza in Suwałki 11.01.1821, father Tomasz Rymsza, mother Anna Ludkiewicz (cert numb 16)
- Józef Rymsza in Suwałki 13.07.1811, father Kazimierz Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Zylyńska (cert numb 132)
- Józef Rymsza in Suwałki 18.03.1811, father Tadeusz Rymsza, mother Rozalia Ulmiczowna (cert numb 54)
- Józef Rymsza in Suwałki 10.03.1804, father Jan Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Mordaś (cert numb 1858)
- Józef Wojciech Rymsza in Suwałki 1828, (cert numb 122)
- Karol Rymsza in Suwałki 1761, (cert numb 1939)
- Katarzyna Rymsza in Suwałki 1845, (cert numb 431)
- Katarzyna Rymsza in Suwałki 8.04.1815, father Tomasz Rymsza, mother Anna Judkiewicz (cert numb 90)
- Katarzyna Rymsza in Suwałki 26.11.1799, father Tadeusz Rymsza, mother Rozalia Ulewicz (cert numb 532)
- Kazimierz Rymsza in Suwałki 1848, (cert numb 265)
- Kazimierz Rymsza in Suwałki 17.02.1815, father Tadeusz Rymsza, mother Rozalia Ulewicz (cert numb 39)
- Kazimierz Rymsza in Suwałki 1768, (cert numb 402)
- Marianna Rymsza in Suwałki 1764, (cert numb 2572)
- Maryanna Rymsza in Suwałki 28.03.1804, father Kazimierz Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Rybinszczanka (cert numb 1871)
- Michalina Rymsza in Suwałki 1882, (cert numb 389)
- Michał Rymsza in Suwałki 1773, (cert numb 300)
- Rozalia Rymsza in Suwałki 30.12.1816, father Tomasz Rymsza, mother Anna Pietkiewicz (cert numb 286)
- Rozalia Katarzyna Rymsza in Suwałki 12.05.1812, father Tadeusz Rymsza, mother Rozalia Ulewicz (cert numb 119)
- Róża Rymsza in Suwałki 1785, (cert numb 1261)
- Stanisław Rymsza in Suwałki 1848, (cert numb 18)
- Szymon Rymsza in Suwałki 18.10.1806, father Kazimierz Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Rybinszczanka (cert numb 212)
- Tadeusz Rymsza in Suwałki 1774, (cert numb 521)
- Tomasz Rymsza in Suwałki 29.12.1818, father Tomasz Rymsza, mother Anna Judkiewicz (cert numb 323)
- Urszula Rymsza in Suwałki 1782, (cert numb 672)
- Wiktoria Rymsza in Suwałki 1845, (cert numb 158)
- Wiktoria Rymsza in Suwałki 26.02.1823, father Tomasz Rymsza, mother Anna Judkiewicz (cert numb 67)
- Wincenty Rymsza in Suwałki 4.04.1810, father Jan Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Mordarzewska (cert numb 60)
- Wojciech Rymsza in Suwałki 18.04.1798, father Karol Rymsza, mother Katarzyna Rybinska (cert numb 78)
- Zygmund Rymsza in Suwałki 27.01.1818, father Tadeusz Rymsza, mother Agata Ulewicz (cert numb 31)

I'm not able to connect them to your Rymsza family.
The only record that could fit is Jan Rymsza born in Suwałki on 11.01.1821 who could be father of Frank and his sibling, but for this moment there is no confirmation of that.

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29.04.2014 16:16

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Wow Magda!!

That's a lot of info! Much more than I ever expected. Thank you so much. Even so, many of these names fit into the Rymsza h. Gozdawa puzzle and maybe bring me a little closer to solving it whichever way it goes. Forgive my ignorance as I do not live there. Do these records include the town of Sejny? Any suggestions as to what you think I might do next?

Bob

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29.04.2014 18:30

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One other question, the birth certificates that do not show the parents. Is that because they were not listed?

Bob

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29.04.2014 20:44

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Hi Bob,

Unfortunatelly I was able to find only indexes with Rymsza last name in it so the information I wrote was from them and I put all the data they had. Unfortunately they don't have all parents...

In Poland it is sometimes hadr do find birt/marrige/death certificate. I haven't found any from Suwałki and its province
I was able to find some certificates from Łódź but not from the years that you are interested in

BR, Magda

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29.04.2014 20:51

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Interesting can be for you that Suwałki are near Polish boarder with Lithaunia.

I found some Rymsza people also there:

Births - http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... t&lang=eng

Marriges - http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... t&lang=eng

Deaths - http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... t&lang=eng

Still i'm not able to find enything that could give us any clue

But i'm still searching

rianon

29.04.2014 20:55

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And additionally there are also some information about people with last name Rymsza in Belarus - http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... t&lang=eng

I suspect that your family may be leaving th teritory that now is slip in three different contries.

rianon

29.04.2014 21:06

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Regarding Brotkowski family I found this:

- http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... t&lang=eng in Łódzkie province
- http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... t&lang=eng - in Lithuania
- http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... t&lang=eng - in Mazowieckie province
- http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... t&lang=eng - in Pomorskie province

and one index with Brotkoski - http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... t&lang=eng - in Kujawsko-Pomorskie province

rianon

29.04.2014 21:39

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One additonal finding for today - I found list of people send during WW II to Germany for forced labor.

Wybierz Nazwisko Imię Nazwisko panieńskie Data urodzenia Miejsce urodzenia Imię ojca Imię matki Data śmierci
Rymsza Alicja
Rymsza Anna
Rymsza Blandyna
Rymsza Bolesław
Rymsza Bolesław 1899
Rymsza Bronisław 1908 Jan 1945-04-22
Rymsza Danuta 1924
Rymsza Elżbieta 1943-11-23 Lwów Władysław Jadwiga
Rymsza Eugeniusz 1907-11-15 Białystok
Rymsza Florentyna 1888-10-23 Michał, Anna
Rymsza Franciszka Zagoniewicz 1900-10-04 Litwa
Rymsza Helena 1916-12-08 Gdańsk Nn Marta 2002-06-23
Rymsza Iwan 1900-02-01 Milaciski
Rymsza Jadwiga 1940-02-24 Tur Antoni Helena
Rymsza Jadwiga 1894
Rymsza Jadwiga
Rymsza Jan 1906-01-14 Grotnuszki
Rymsza Jan 1923-06-24 Warschawa
Rymsza Janina 1925-10-15 Kamionka Jan Maria
Rymsza Jerzy 1924
Rymsza Józef
Rymsza Julian 1882-01-29 Litwa
Rymsza Krystyna 1933
Rymsza Lesław 1913-11-09 Władysław Aniela 1996-01-02
Rymsza Lesław
Rymsza Lucjan 1897-03-07 Warszawa 1945-02-02
Rymsza Lucjan
Rymsza Maria 1927-09-08 Warszawa
Rymsza Michał 1902-09-11 Nlestanisskl, P. Święciany 1944-07-16
Rymsza Mieczysław
Rymsza Roman 1939
Rymsza Stanisław 1925-04-14 Maków Mazowiecki Edward Zofia
Rymsza Teofila
Rymsza Wladislaus 1915-03-16 Nowowilejka Aleksander
Rymsza 1944-08-17

The full list you can find here - http://www.straty.pl/index.php/szukaj-w-bazie

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29.04.2014 22:07

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I knew that the Poles were heavily persecuted by the Nazi's but it is very disturbing for me to see the names that I have become familiar with over the last month. How sad. Thank you for bringing it to my attention Magda.

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29.04.2014 23:31

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Magda:

While scanning the internet I did a search on Sejny & Rymsza. I found a page that I believe says that the roots of the surname originate around Lozdzieje which I believe is in Lithuania. Looking at a map it is very close to Sejny. I don't know if you have any way of searching that or if it even helps you with your search but I thought I would share it.

http://www.ipgs.us/iwonad/surnames/placesl.html

Regards
Bob

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30.04.2014 14:55

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I found some additional information on the web site - http://rzecz-pospolita.com/wilen/ksiega.php

It seams that someone is trying to contact with people with last name Rymsza.

Liuda Kuraitiene was asking to contact here on e-mail address 'liudaviola at hotmail.com' she is probably from Lithuania. And as she wrote she is related with Rymsza family.

Maybe you should try to contact Liuda?

Reagrding town Łoździeje now Lazdijai in Lituania it's near to Polish boarder so it's possible that Rymsza family come from this town. Unfortunately there is no certificated from this place that I would know about. However I will try to find something